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i mean, bill clinton went through -- >> yeah, yeah. >> this guy get a single side note. >> just a pesky asterisk. but, you know, politicians and presidents for years in washington have been using david petraeus as cover. if you can get underneath -- >> republicans said that name over and over. >> wrap yourself in the petraeus flag and you got immunity from almost anything. >> what is president obama worried about petraeus? >> i think it's -- i think he's being gracious now. i think maybe buyer's remorse, some people once you get into the details of this whacky situation, they're thinking maybe he should have stuck with him, maybe everything moved too fast, maybe he's -- he did what he did but maybe he's the victim -- >> before you jump to that, and i am -- the older i get the more leaning i get towards these -- >> meaning -- >> if it got out he had this affair with the reporter and also got out that the president knowing about it had kept him in office, what would that have been like? >> that would have been bad. the only way you can do this is if you make a clean breast of it, say you'
i mean, bill clinton went through -- >> yeah, yeah. >> this guy get a single side note. >> just a pesky asterisk. but, you know, politicians and presidents for years in washington have been using david petraeus as cover. if you can get underneath -- >> republicans said that name over and over. >> wrap yourself in the petraeus flag and you got immunity from almost anything. >> what is president obama worried about petraeus? >> i think it's -- i think...
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said i represent the 57% of americans who did not vote for bill clinton. paul ryan gave an interview saying he didn't believe that president obama has a mandate because he didn't win both congresses. you have to say eisenhower, nixon, reagan, other presidents substantially re-elected or elected didn't have mandates themselves. >> tom brokaw, in this second term as the president begins to decide how to shape his policies, be he according to all that have talked to him and other white house officials want to get things done. he told the "des moines register" in an interview he thought was going to be held as an off the record interview, wanted to do something big on immigration. clearing the deck of these investigations as you said and this our aura of scandal is critical to have the power on capitol hill to make tough decisions. >> rudy giuliani said before this election and says it in a kind of joshing way, that he doesn't want a second term, he wants a second chance. i thought that was accurate. he does want a second chance and the country needs for him t
said i represent the 57% of americans who did not vote for bill clinton. paul ryan gave an interview saying he didn't believe that president obama has a mandate because he didn't win both congresses. you have to say eisenhower, nixon, reagan, other presidents substantially re-elected or elected didn't have mandates themselves. >> tom brokaw, in this second term as the president begins to decide how to shape his policies, be he according to all that have talked to him and other white house...
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. >> reporter: bill clinton's scandal may have wrecked his presidency but eventually he got to become the elder statesman, whe whe wheremonica lewinsky will always be "that woman." >> i understand she has a $12 million book deal to write about that, but nonetheless that's the brand she now has, she's been branded. >> reporter: the attorney gloria allred, specializes on helping women cash in on rich and powerful cheaters, tiger woods and herman cain, saying the men can restore their good names by, in part, accepting financial responsibility. >> the american people are sx treatmently forgiving as long as high level person steps up and takes responsibility. ask for forgiveness. >> reporter: except for john edwards. >> john edwards is always the glaring exception because that was so egregious. >> reporter: john edwards not only cheated on his wife, he fared a baby and a time when his beloved wife was dying of cancer, so for him redemption may be tricker. as society do we reserve special contempt for a woman perceived as a homewrecker, especially when a powerful man is involved? >> the ver
. >> reporter: bill clinton's scandal may have wrecked his presidency but eventually he got to become the elder statesman, whe whe wheremonica lewinsky will always be "that woman." >> i understand she has a $12 million book deal to write about that, but nonetheless that's the brand she now has, she's been branded. >> reporter: the attorney gloria allred, specializes on helping women cash in on rich and powerful cheaters, tiger woods and herman cain, saying the men...
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it's what bill clinton did. >> but he was impeached. >> under a little pressure. >> let's go to the latest developments in this. mrs. kelley, jill kelley, she's married, she was the one involved in being apparently -- she was scaring this other woman who was having the affair with petraeus. she complained to an fbi agent. this is where it became official. complained, jill kelley, complained to an fbi agent -- >> who was a friend of hers. >> who was being harassed. then she does this call. she called 911 one week complaining, that was jill kelley, tried to invoke diplomatic privilege to get the press off her lawn. let's listen to this. this is a little strange. >> i am an honorary consul-general, so i have inviolatability so they should not be to cross my property. i don't know if you want to get diplomatic protection involved as well? but it's against the law to cross my property. >> this is getting more kato kaling every day. >> that phone call replaced -- >> was she writing, claiming diplomatic immunity from the press? >> no. she had a badge from macdill air force base, which was -- >> c
it's what bill clinton did. >> but he was impeached. >> under a little pressure. >> let's go to the latest developments in this. mrs. kelley, jill kelley, she's married, she was the one involved in being apparently -- she was scaring this other woman who was having the affair with petraeus. she complained to an fbi agent. this is where it became official. complained, jill kelley, complained to an fbi agent -- >> who was a friend of hers. >> who was being harassed....
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you talk about bringing bill clinton back in, the master of arithmetic. what did president obama call him? the master of how to count things or whatever. then you have the loser who had some interesting ideas about getting rid of deductions it seems. where do you see the real plus of these two fellows coming in on this deal and helping the president cut a deal? >> chris, the real theme of the piece, my long time colleague nelson cunningham and i wrote, we have to have all hands on deck to solve these issues that are clearly before us. they're solvable but not without a sense of purpose and unity. basically you have president clinton who has the credibility of balancing the budget and then leaving a surplus. that's a pretty strong record to stand on and a lot of knowledge and experience. secondly, you hit it, he is -- he does do arithmetic well. he's also a pretty good salesman, pretty good persuader. i think you have those two great attributes with the former president. and governor romney, he's a problem solver, he's a business person. he knows how to re
you talk about bringing bill clinton back in, the master of arithmetic. what did president obama call him? the master of how to count things or whatever. then you have the loser who had some interesting ideas about getting rid of deductions it seems. where do you see the real plus of these two fellows coming in on this deal and helping the president cut a deal? >> chris, the real theme of the piece, my long time colleague nelson cunningham and i wrote, we have to have all hands on deck to...
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kelley just hired washington power attorney abbey lowe whose clients have included president bill clinton and former presidential candidate john edwards. she also hired judy smith, the head of a pr crisis firm who has represented big names like kobe bryant and michael vick and monica lewinsky. >> when you bring on these type of professionals, it doesn't necessarily mean you've done anything wrong, but it usually means you have been involved in something that's quite interesting. >> reporter: karen post, a branding expert and author of brand turnaround says these latest hires is a big red flag to her. she believes there are more twists and turns to come. >> it's got a cast of characters, a furious surprised wife of the general. it's got a book author. it's got a shirtless fbi agent. i mean it's got all the makings of a great story. >> reporter: post says the kelleys find themselves in the media vortex that could have the power couple cashing in on their instant celebrity. >> this story, i suspect, is going to go on quite some time and i would not be surprised if there was not a book about
kelley just hired washington power attorney abbey lowe whose clients have included president bill clinton and former presidential candidate john edwards. she also hired judy smith, the head of a pr crisis firm who has represented big names like kobe bryant and michael vick and monica lewinsky. >> when you bring on these type of professionals, it doesn't necessarily mean you've done anything wrong, but it usually means you have been involved in something that's quite interesting. >>...
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the hurricane sandy thing, if bill clinton really thinks that, bill clinton is wrong. that is now how president obama won. >> i think you hit on something in the opening. he must be on drugs. there's no way that bill clinton and he had that conversation. what i'm worried about, i'm hearing let's change our words. what's the right thing we have to say, without the understanding it's your policy. it's also that you don't make people feel welcome in your party when you talk about people as aliens or when you say those people and the free stuff and decide we don't have to talk to them and ask them for their vote or show them respect that. is a fundamentally deeper problem this republican party has right now. >> janet and karen, thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >>> coming up, four more years. what to expect in president obama's second term from the author of "barack obama, the story." >>> and in the "rewrite," it's not about the sex. it's about the judgment of david petraeus. but in talking about the cia director's very bad judgment, i am going to have t
the hurricane sandy thing, if bill clinton really thinks that, bill clinton is wrong. that is now how president obama won. >> i think you hit on something in the opening. he must be on drugs. there's no way that bill clinton and he had that conversation. what i'm worried about, i'm hearing let's change our words. what's the right thing we have to say, without the understanding it's your policy. it's also that you don't make people feel welcome in your party when you talk about people as...
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there have been plenty of powerful men from bill clinton to anthony wiener who betrayed their families, marred stellar careers. why do men with so much to lose do this? fisher is an author of why we stray. >> it's very high testosterone. anybody who fights for rank as these men have are going to be high on testosterone. so that will trigger the sex drive. they're away from home a lot. they've got a lot of opportunities. a lot of women really like a high-ranking men. if they're not looking for somebody, they're likely to find a woman who really is interested in somebody like them. >> in civilian life an affair can cost a marriage, maybe a job. in the military, adultersers can also be prosecuted. david petraeus says the affair started after he retired as a four star general. >>> tomorrow nancy pelosi will announce whether she'll continue as house minority leader or step down. she's asked female democrats in the house, including incoming freshmen to join her at the news conference. ten years ago she became the first woman to lead a party caw sus in the senate and after the -- caucus in th
there have been plenty of powerful men from bill clinton to anthony wiener who betrayed their families, marred stellar careers. why do men with so much to lose do this? fisher is an author of why we stray. >> it's very high testosterone. anybody who fights for rank as these men have are going to be high on testosterone. so that will trigger the sex drive. they're away from home a lot. they've got a lot of opportunities. a lot of women really like a high-ranking men. if they're not looking...
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clinton and monica lewinsky however this one has gone far beyond the borders of a standard sex scandal if the resignation of the cia director hasn't stopped the fallout will it all end. quite hard to tell this may sound like a huge manyfold family drama but it's more serious than that under military law adultery here can be acquired and punishment can be time in prison although general allen will remain the commander in afghanistan defense secretary panetta said he had asked president obama to delay the general's nomination to be the commander of american forces in europe and the supreme allied commander of nato so john allen would be the third again his staying general that well from grace so abruptly and shockingly too many first it was general stanley mcchrystal resigned when a magazine quoted him saying unflattering things about the administration that general petraeus over a woman and now general general john allen that is three of the biggest names in the war in afghanistan it's all right and he's a gunner to go there live in washington thank you. when the mean time of my five in
clinton and monica lewinsky however this one has gone far beyond the borders of a standard sex scandal if the resignation of the cia director hasn't stopped the fallout will it all end. quite hard to tell this may sound like a huge manyfold family drama but it's more serious than that under military law adultery here can be acquired and punishment can be time in prison although general allen will remain the commander in afghanistan defense secretary panetta said he had asked president obama to...
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one way to go back to where it was under bill clinton. that's what the president's saying he won't budge on. another way though is to close loopholes or cap deductions. the think tank third way said you could get about $1.3 million capping deductions. that affects the wealthy. there's many ways to get revenue, why is he only saying i'm going to go for this way? >> let's remember that he was very conciliatory in his speech on election night. and he even reiterated today, erin, that if republicans have other ideas on how to get to where we need to go, if other democrats have other ideas, which would mean to deal with this in a balanced way that does not hurt middle class families, workers, seniors, the most vulnerable, i think he's willing to listen to that. so i think that is where the compromise can lie, if republicans really understand they're the ones that are going to need to give more. >> do you agree with that? the president did win electoral popular vote. the margin was only 2%, but he did win it. >> sure. well, elections have conse
one way to go back to where it was under bill clinton. that's what the president's saying he won't budge on. another way though is to close loopholes or cap deductions. the think tank third way said you could get about $1.3 million capping deductions. that affects the wealthy. there's many ways to get revenue, why is he only saying i'm going to go for this way? >> let's remember that he was very conciliatory in his speech on election night. and he even reiterated today, erin, that if...
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. >> we heard bill clinton had his office affair with the young intern who was a child. his risk was crazy risk. and i guess david petraeus was also as the director of the central inteleagency for goodness sakes. is the appeal so strong it doesn't matter you risk even the presidency of the united states. historic important and significant post and risked that for a piece on the side. >> if you are not thinking it through, yeah. >> is it true that men. i speak now knowing and you know, i know that i am a decade clean and sober now. and i am trying to forget what happened before. but to throw everything away potentially for a little nooky in nit is depending if you get the urge and go for it but there are consequences. >> who power is the approdizziac. >> he controlled himself for 38 years. >> i absolutely believe that. when he tells trusted people like the colonel who were on earlier that this is the first time, i feel sorry for him that you know, i do feel sorry for him. he was a wonderful general and a wonderful director of the cia, and should america evolve enough or h
. >> we heard bill clinton had his office affair with the young intern who was a child. his risk was crazy risk. and i guess david petraeus was also as the director of the central inteleagency for goodness sakes. is the appeal so strong it doesn't matter you risk even the presidency of the united states. historic important and significant post and risked that for a piece on the side. >> if you are not thinking it through, yeah. >> is it true that men. i speak now knowing and...
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clinton and it comes out that sixty percent of our clients are democrats but the republicans are much kinkier wow wow that is very interesting also went to. saying some people are able to you see the way that these when these scandals come out it effects politicians careers differently some are able to overcome the controversy and continue to be successful why are some able to prevail while others their careers are over what separates the two well that's separate the two is p.r. . trying to come out and rehabilitate themselves and do the right thing but i i i know that men cheat on their wives the same way because i don't want to be monogamous but that being said these guys should get caught they should come to professionals and do their business what they have to do and get out of there and if i see one more politician parade their beautiful innocent wife and mother their children in front of the world to apologize. just tipped over of sick of it that's that's the problem don't embarrass these women man to his woman and vice versa embarrass them go do what you have to do anybody and
clinton and it comes out that sixty percent of our clients are democrats but the republicans are much kinkier wow wow that is very interesting also went to. saying some people are able to you see the way that these when these scandals come out it effects politicians careers differently some are able to overcome the controversy and continue to be successful why are some able to prevail while others their careers are over what separates the two well that's separate the two is p.r. . trying to...
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. >> we heard bill clinton famously had his office affair with a young intern who really was a child. i mean, his risk was crazy risk. i guess david petraeus was also as the director of the central intelligence agency for goodness, sakegoodnessgoodnesssg that you risk even the presidency of the united states of america, historic important significant post. you risk even that for a piece on the side? >> if you're not really thinking it through, yes. >> but is it true that some men, i mean, i speak now knowing, and you know, that i'm a decade clean and sober now, but you know, i'm trying my best to forget what happened before. to throw everything away potentially just for a little nookie. >> it depends. if it's thrown at you and you get the urge and you don't think about it and you go for it, yes, but there are consequences. >> who is it that said power is an aphrodisiac. it's a turn on. >> he's been controlling himself for 38 years. >> i believe that,t too. i absolutely believe that. when he tells his trusted people like colonel mansoor and colonel boylan that this is the first time, i
. >> we heard bill clinton famously had his office affair with a young intern who really was a child. i mean, his risk was crazy risk. i guess david petraeus was also as the director of the central intelligence agency for goodness, sakegoodnessgoodnesssg that you risk even the presidency of the united states of america, historic important significant post. you risk even that for a piece on the side? >> if you're not really thinking it through, yes. >> but is it true that some...
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and that is all president obama is saying that if we are going to sacrifice, bill clinton and people like myself should be paying more taxes, and that does not mean that we won't make investments, and warren buffett has it right. >> and by the way, the stinking rich are paying 1% or 2% more, they will still be stinking rich. thank you, lenny davis. >> thank you, piers. >>> and next, jay tapper covering the front lines and what did he think of the contentious news conference today? that is coming up. >>> president obama faced tough questions today. especially about benghazi and the cia scandal. jake tapper is a senior correspondent and also and author of a book called "outpost." welcome. >> it is great to be here. >> and it is almost perfect timing, this book, because we were discussing before we went on air that it discusses two great general, the best, and both are gone, and did you ever imagine that would happen when you wrote the book? >> no. no, and the book is mainly about the grunts on the ground. it looks how people like president obama and obama and how they're
and that is all president obama is saying that if we are going to sacrifice, bill clinton and people like myself should be paying more taxes, and that does not mean that we won't make investments, and warren buffett has it right. >> and by the way, the stinking rich are paying 1% or 2% more, they will still be stinking rich. thank you, lenny davis. >> thank you, piers. >>> and next, jay tapper covering the front lines and what did he think of the contentious news conference...
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from bill clinton to jerry maguire. how the familiar and unforgettable words were chosen for bartlet's familiar quotations. one of my favorite things because i love inspiring quotes so we'll have some of them for you when we see you right at 7:00. >> we'll be there. thank you. >>> top ranking intelligence officials are expected on the hilda at house and senate hearings on the benghazi attacks that cildz the u.s. ambassador chris stevens. >> former c.i.a. director david petraeus will also be testifying before the senate intelligence committee. 9news reporter surae chinn is on capitol hill. she has more on what we can expect later today. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. you know, the big drama will happen tomorrow when petraeus is expected to be here on capitol hill. the acting c.i.a. director will be here testifying before a house panel today and, yes, because of this tangled web and so many of these key players involved, lawmakers do want to get to the bottom of the benghazi attacks. they also want to get to the
from bill clinton to jerry maguire. how the familiar and unforgettable words were chosen for bartlet's familiar quotations. one of my favorite things because i love inspiring quotes so we'll have some of them for you when we see you right at 7:00. >> we'll be there. thank you. >>> top ranking intelligence officials are expected on the hilda at house and senate hearings on the benghazi attacks that cildz the u.s. ambassador chris stevens. >> former c.i.a. director david...
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and that is all president obama is saying that if we are going to sacrifice, bill clinton and people like myself should be paying more taxes, and that does not mean that we won't make investments, and warren buffett has it right. >> and by the way, the stinking rich are paying 1% or 2% more, they will still be stinking rich. thank you, lenny davis. >> thank you, piers. >>> and next, jay tapper covering the front lines and what h did he think of the contentious news conference today? that is coming up. did he think contentious news conference today? that is coming up. did he think contentious news conference today? that is coming up. did he think contentious ne conference today? that is coming up. did he think contentious news conference today? that is coming up. if you are one of the millions of men who have used androgel 1%, there's big news. presenting androgel 1.62%. both are used to treat men with low testosterone. androgel 1.62% is from the makers of the number one prescribed testosterone replacement therapy. it raises your testosterone levels, and... is concentrated, so you cou
and that is all president obama is saying that if we are going to sacrifice, bill clinton and people like myself should be paying more taxes, and that does not mean that we won't make investments, and warren buffett has it right. >> and by the way, the stinking rich are paying 1% or 2% more, they will still be stinking rich. thank you, lenny davis. >> thank you, piers. >>> and next, jay tapper covering the front lines and what h did he think of the contentious news...
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susan rice is appointing bill clinton as a marriage counselor. she has done nothing. we're in the passenger seat of car driven by 16-year-old that got his driver's lie sense and is texting. that's what i feel like. it call them the keystone cop ks but that would be insulting to them. the media is following the juicy pieces of gossip. we are forgetting about the important issue, benghazi. say it again to piss you off, bob. we spent so much time on the valerie plaem affair. they made in a movie and put it on cover of "vanity fair" and it was a stupid scandal. four people are dead in benghazi and we are talking about pages of e-mails. >> bob: let me ask you a question. because you don't like what she did on benghazi going around to the sunday talk show, name me one thing you know about her that disqualifies her for secretary of state? >> greg: that is enough for me. >> dana: she has had a less than shining career as u.n. ambassador. >> bob: how so. >> dana: she has big shoes to fill. but presidents get to choose who they want and if she is confirmed by the senate i wish
susan rice is appointing bill clinton as a marriage counselor. she has done nothing. we're in the passenger seat of car driven by 16-year-old that got his driver's lie sense and is texting. that's what i feel like. it call them the keystone cop ks but that would be insulting to them. the media is following the juicy pieces of gossip. we are forgetting about the important issue, benghazi. say it again to piss you off, bob. we spent so much time on the valerie plaem affair. they made in a movie...
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. >> okay, well look at what president clinton did 15 years ago. he signed the sunshine bill, and that stopped all the assault rifles in the united states for ten years. these were gone for ten years unless i want to sell walmart guns. >> cenk: thank god. you want to sell these things. you're in favor of assault rifles being legal. there is no legitimate use for this. if you're a hunter, do you use this stuff? what the hell do you use this for? again explain it to me because i don't own guns. what in the world would you shoot with these things. investment? go get some stocks. >> yeah, well, if these guns are outlawed the price doubles and we can't get any more. but the people who buy them will be grandfathered. they'll be able to keep them and sell them to other people. but the dealers won't be able to get them any more. people don't go hunting with these, but they're fun. i have five rifle ranges out here. if it's daytime i would go out and show you how much fun it is to shoot these. it's a lot of fun. >> cenk: i've done it. i've gone to a gun ran
. >> okay, well look at what president clinton did 15 years ago. he signed the sunshine bill, and that stopped all the assault rifles in the united states for ten years. these were gone for ten years unless i want to sell walmart guns. >> cenk: thank god. you want to sell these things. you're in favor of assault rifles being legal. there is no legitimate use for this. if you're a hunter, do you use this stuff? what the hell do you use this for? again explain it to me because i don't...
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in the 1990s there was a president's endorsement and bill clinton include add twin kwee in a time capsule. and it was put through a test. now the twinkie needs someone to come to its rescue or we'll have to say good-bye to the twinkie for good. >> well, when it comes to comedy, there are a few boundaries for "saturday night live," especially when it comes to mocking the media. this week they took aim at our own wolf blitzer. >> joining us now is the mayer of tampa, also known as derek "fat deuce" derek. >> what's up, homey? where you at? >> i'm in the situation room. >> straight up. >> all right, yeah. mr. mayor, what can you tell us about yokely seen here walking up and down the stairs repeatedly. >> jill kelley? >> mm-hmm. >> oh, she's fun. she's like a fun one. tampa all fun. tampa got everything. see gars, jill kelley, tap shoes, loose murderers. and jill kelley got a dress too. she's fine. >> and this is the same jill kelley seen here in a cnn drama tieization. >> oh, that's funny. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ we're lucky, it's not every day you find a companion as loyal
in the 1990s there was a president's endorsement and bill clinton include add twin kwee in a time capsule. and it was put through a test. now the twinkie needs someone to come to its rescue or we'll have to say good-bye to the twinkie for good. >> well, when it comes to comedy, there are a few boundaries for "saturday night live," especially when it comes to mocking the media. this week they took aim at our own wolf blitzer. >> joining us now is the mayer of tampa, also...
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we got bill clinton impeached. we're going to impeach this president as well and then john boehner will be president so ha, ha ha. ha ha, ha to you frank. this scandal does not touch barack obama. he didn't know about it. he didn't do it. he had nothing to do with it. eric cantor knew about it. maybe we should impeach eric cantor. [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> bill: good morning everybody. welcome to the "full court press." this wednesday morning november 14. oh, man. lots going on. congress back in session and trying to deal with the fiscal cliff. so is president obama. all anybody is talking about is all of the latest with the david petraeus sex scandal. think about it. two generals, two famous generals, two top generals, two women. you got politics involved. you got the military involved. you got maybe national security documents involved. i'm telling you, how long before we see the hollywood movie? which is going to be first? the book or the movie or the tv series? who knows. maybe all three. we'll get into that and a w
we got bill clinton impeached. we're going to impeach this president as well and then john boehner will be president so ha, ha ha. ha ha, ha to you frank. this scandal does not touch barack obama. he didn't know about it. he didn't do it. he had nothing to do with it. eric cantor knew about it. maybe we should impeach eric cantor. [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> bill: good morning everybody. welcome to the "full court press." this wednesday morning november 14. oh, man. lots going on....
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on taxes it's as bill clinton said. it's simple math. spending is at 24% of gdp. taxes are at about 15% of gdp right now. even the most conservative member of congress only proposes to bring spending down to say 20% or even 19% of gdp. you still have a 4% to 5% gap. that represents hundreds of billions of dollars that has to be made up. even if you assume growth could get back to 3%, that won't make up the gap. so taxes have to be on the table. there's no way to get around that if you want to actually deal with the fiscal crisis that we have. and what is most heartening to me is to learn today that the president is willing to take this show on the road, to go out into the states and make the case and actually reinforce that mandate he has and make republicans realize that those that want to work with him will be rewarded as people who are trying to solve people, those that want to obstruct will pay a political praice that they will feel at election time. >> his opening act has got to be rick ross. these haters are not going to hold me back. some of the conservativ
on taxes it's as bill clinton said. it's simple math. spending is at 24% of gdp. taxes are at about 15% of gdp right now. even the most conservative member of congress only proposes to bring spending down to say 20% or even 19% of gdp. you still have a 4% to 5% gap. that represents hundreds of billions of dollars that has to be made up. even if you assume growth could get back to 3%, that won't make up the gap. so taxes have to be on the table. there's no way to get around that if you want to...